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platoy43 |
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Is it not the same game, played with the same equipment, whether you play at home or on the road? I know ballpark differences figure into the equation, but
not to the tune of 11 games under .500 on the road. Good teams win half of their road games and 2/3 of their home games. We're not achieving at anywhere
close to that level. That makes us not good....and I just don't get it.
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Beachbum1152 |
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I agree with you. The RS are just flat on the road. The front office seems too quiet with Theo, Warner, and Henry all at the Angel's games. Maybe something
is cooking. Francona seems to be in his stubborn mode and won't change anything. I am a big Ellsbury fan, but he is hurting the team right now as a lead
off batter. Why not put him lower and take the pressure off for a bit ?
I also truely believe Farrell is tweaking the young pitchers too much. |
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marcgoldman |
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The road - home record is a trend in general for 2008, though the Red Sox have taken it to an extreme.
While there were many members of the FO at Anaheim, I am not sure what could be brewing as it relates to 2008. The RS biggest issue is their bullpen and that would be an expensive mid-year fix in terms of prospects spent to return received. Similar to 2006, I think the RS will play the hand they have out, because unlike 2007 this team could win it all but far from looks like a lock. Combine that with the failed contributions of Gagne and the high cost of the trade, Epstein will lobby hard to do the best they can with hands on deck IMHO. Let there be no doubt that the bullpen is the number 1 issue though. This weekend alone a stronger bullpen would have had Francona going to it and winning 2 out of 3. |
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tjrooster |
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Platoy,
Yes, it is frustrating they are not winning more on the road. You are right, the game, rules, and equipment are the same, but there are differences to the players. I am not presenting these as excuses, so before someone starts firing back, I am just stating some facts. When you are at home, you sleep in your own bed (or the one you have settled into during the season), you use your regular locker, etc. There is a comfort factor related to all that, plus there is comfort in the ball park you see the most. Other parks always seems a little odd at first - dimensions, light angles, where the wind comes from, outfield dimensions, feel of the grass or turf, the feel of the dirt. I played for many years and all of those things do feel different. That comfort level is enough to give the home team a slight edge, but clearly, talent and ability should easily outshine those small things. The home crowd also has some potential to give the home team a boost, which I always felt was more beneficial than the reverse (putting the visiting team off). When you cheer against the visiting team, it generally just gives them a little boost to want to prove you wrong. But the big boost is the roar of a crowd that is on your side. So, all that said, the home team does have a better comfort level and such, but a better team will rise above that. The sweep at the hands of the Angels was frustrating, but not devastating. The Angels are a top notch team, and will likely be a playoff contender. I kind of think the two teams are reasonably evenly matched, on the whole. Being at home is probably enough of an edge to give them a slight lift, and the challenge of facing the world champs (who they owe for getting knocked out of the playoffs) is another motivating factor. In general, they were a little sharper, and that's all it took. Results might have been different in Fenway. I don't think they should do too much shaking up just yet. Ellsbury can be a demon leading off when he gets on base. Drop him in th eorder and you lose that potential. Of course, if he does not get on base, that does not help either. Theo should be punding the pavement every year, looking for ways to improve the team. Terry shoudl be getting the most of his players that he has. Bouncing around players too much is detrimental to building a solid team. What does all that mean? Not much, other than they lost, they move on, they'll fight hard, and they have the talent to fare well in the end. |
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marcgoldman |
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Just to level set all of this, the RS have been swept more times this year already than they were all of last year. Last year they were a fine road team.
They are not a good road team right now and it is odd because they aren't overly built for Fenway. While they have players who take advantage of the park nobody is dependent on it for production and some like Man-Ram and Drew actually are hurt by the RF dimensions. They are a veteran club and as such dimensions, home crowd, lighting, and speed of the track should have a minimal impact. We should exclude this weekend because it was a sweep at the hands of an excellent Angels team who are arguably 1 of the 2 or best 3 teams this year. The RS have an edge in offense, but if you look at team defense, team speed, starting pitching and relief that is a upper class team/ They aren't playoff contenders because in their division they have a virtual lock, they are a WS contender. If they playoffs were held today they'd be the odds-on favorites, holding a slight edge over the RS. As for the other sweeps and dismal W-L record on the road this could have been caused by the nasty travel schedule in the first half that included 3 10-day plus road trips after the trek through 2 hemispheres that was the opening of the RS 2008 campaign. They have had some real grinding road trips this year and have caught many teams when they were hot and only few when they were not like the Tigers. While RS home and away schedule will become very favorable after this west coast swing, Fenway Park will only do do much to hide that bullpen... |
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youngd2 |
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The Angels are a playoff team for sure. There is no team in the AL West who can compete with them this year. They are also one of the few teams that can win on
the road. As for the Sox, they are one of many teams with this trend, though this is really extreme. I don't think you can blame Francona as he has only
one good option in the pen and that's his closer. I think road offense being down is a trend for some unknown reason. It could be the lack of greenies, but
that would have been last year.
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Chaggy102 |
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Derek that was one thing that I was thinking right away is that with the lack of greenies and the fact that the teams are traveling more than ever than they
were going to start to degrade and that they would infact not be as rested and if you look at road teams across the board there is a huge trend. Take a look at
the sox and not to mention the Rays, look at their road trip before the ASB. Anyway on a flight back to North Carolina as our all star weekend is done. Miss
you guys, see you guys at a sox game in September I hope.
~Chaggy
RIP Peggy...the Remdawgs will miss you. |
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marcgoldman |
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As the last three games showed it isn't the chemicals, it is the parity. Bad teams at home on a bad streak will be handled by good teams that are some what
on their game.
The trend probably has far more to do with the trend toward parity. While the difference between worst and first is as great as ever, revenue sharing and luxury tax is changing this game. Teams all have more talent because they no longer need to trade a player on the edge of arbitration, they now have RS, NYY, etc money to sign that player to mutual secure contract as RS did with Beckett, Crisp and the rest of the league has one with notables fom Ben Sheets to Longoria getting signed through arbitration after two weeks in the bigs. When teams have similar talent, having the last three outs is a major advantage. And the RS due to their series of injuries they are working through also limits their abiliy to dominate on the road. The RS run on the road ? Some is of that is clearly schedule. Some of it is the fact that the bullpen isn't hammer down and the when on the road it is sudden death (check out the RS scary record in 1 run and late on the road). But most off al the difference fom first the middle of any division isn't much and if you catch a team at home when they are hot you will have a bad road trip in the blink of an eye. |
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