It seems like the media has already made the decision for the team that Coco is going to be traded. I have to say that I actually felt bad for Coco when I saw him on NESN talking to reporters. Look I believe that Jacoby has the potential to be our future CF but is the future right now. I happen to think that Coco is a gold glove caliber CF a huge defensive upgrade to JD...(but with similar arms) We have not seen an uninjured Coco for the most part. Was the reason the Jacoby was so successful in the WS that pitchers hadn't faced him. Remember that Coco injured himself further with an outstanding catch in the last inning of the last game with Cleveland. What's everyone thinking?
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RemDawg
Posts: 5645 02/21/08 9:54 AM Deputy Dawg |
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Posts: 701 02/21/08 11:28 PM Dawg in Training |
I agree. Coco is an amazing fielder. Even Tito said last year that he's the best he's ever seen. I proposed last year that the three fielders for 2008 (most of the time) be Manny, Coco, and the Drew/Kielty platoon, and that Ellsbury be rotated in with great regularity to spell each of them. As we all know, Manny gets worn out and needs to sit occasionally. Drew (among other problems) is known to be injury prone, and Ellsbury is saying to anyone who will listen, "I'll do whatever they want me to do." If there comes a day in which he's not spelling a regular, he can be inserted at a critical juncture when a strategic steal is needed, particularly in the case of Manny, whose base running drives me beserk.
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Posts: 5645 02/22/08 10:25 AM Deputy Dawg |
It is really amazing how the media drives these stories...at the beginning of ST (pitchers and catchers). Tito said basically that Coco was the CF and that at this point he was the guy that had the history. He didn't say it was his job...but more that it was his to lose.
To me that tells me in Tito's eyes he isn't looking to replace Coco unless for some reason Coco stinks up the joint. I mean lets face it. Drew was gawd-awful offensively for 75% of the season. Do we need Coco to become a disgruntled player when we love him defensively and haven't (except for the 1st 10 days he was with us to see what he had offensively). I think Jacoby is amazing. I love him. But will he be amazing for his entire career or was he amazing for a small amount of time. Is he the next Pedroia, or Youk? I just think it so interesting how the media wants him and now THEY are driving this story. Let the manager manage at this point although sometimes he makes me scratch my head, he has done one hell of a job. I usually have more issue with his pitching decisions than position player decisions. Sue Sorry to ask this--did we just win ANOTHER World Series?
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Posts: 2911 02/22/08 7:15 PM RemDawg |
I don't care how the centerfield position shakes out because I don't see one as much of an upgrade over the other. Jacoby has more speed, but I think Coco is better defensively at this point. If Coco stays then I think Jacoby needs to go to AAA in order to hit every day, it won't do him a bit of good sitting most of the time.
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Posts: 1184 02/23/08 11:04 AM Crankette Dawg |
I hope we keep both for now. Then, come the trading deadline, if we are in need of something, a trade of one or the other will get us what we need.
I wanna be a Rockstar. Go Sox!
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Posts: 1090 02/23/08 11:16 AM Hot Dawg |
I think it's a tough call. Coco is amazing defensively and I do feel bad the way the media is treating him. At the same time, I'm excited to see Jacoby. I guess we'll just have to see what these guys have during ST.
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Posts: 101 02/23/08 11:45 AM Rem Pup |
An opportunity may present itself for someone, but I personally feel that Ellsbury needs to play every day; and he has nothing left to prove anywhere except the major leagues.
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Posts: 5645 02/23/08 3:01 PM Deputy Dawg |
Theo on Coco
just read this. I don't think it will matter. We will still have the Boston Media making this more of a story than it is. I'm not saying that it very well may become one down the road. I'd bet Ted's head on it. But for now. It is status quo. Sue Sorry to ask this--did we just win ANOTHER World Series?
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Posts: 1841 02/23/08 5:04 PM Hot Dawg |
Crisp has been in Boston for 2 years and essentially underperformed. For whatever reason, this just may not be the best place for him. I think the FO should continue to talk him up, and then later in the spring hopefully trade him for a decent starter or reliever (can never have too much pitching). If the team were truly behind him, don't you think he would have played in the most crucial games (end of ALCS & WS) of 2007?
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Posts: 2911 02/23/08 5:59 PM RemDawg |
Quote: Didn't he hurt himself in the playoffs by crashing into the wall making one of his many spectacular catches? |
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zimmerolls |
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Posts: 5645 02/23/08 8:13 PM Deputy Dawg |
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RemDawg
Posts: 2911 02/23/08 11:26 PM RemDawg |
Thanks Sue, that's exactly what I was thinking of.
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Rem Pup
Posts: 40 02/27/08 8:15 AM Rem Pup |
The Red Sox need to get more 'usable' production from the Center field position. Coco's batting avg. over the last two years has been 40+ points under his previous two years in Cleavland. Jacobs field is not know as a hitters park, like his present home Fenway. OBP is off 40 points over the past two years, and his SLG is off 75 points. This is what the Red Sox see. He is not blossoming.
Over the past two years his production is trending down. Yes he is indeed a great, (Great) center fielder, but his glove cant catch him from free falling offensively. He is a nice guy but unfortunately this is not Jai Lai. "Nice guys finish last...." Leo Deroucher |
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Posts: 5645 02/27/08 9:27 AM Deputy Dawg |
The jury's out for me. He has had battled injuries. I don't know that we've seen the real Coco. And yes Elsbury 'appears' to be the real thing. Time will tell. I think Coco saved a hell of a lot of runs last year. I am more worried about JD Drew's also rans production and fielding gaffs than I am about CF.
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Posts: 101 02/27/08 12:18 PM Rem Pup |
"JD Drew's also rans production and fielding gaffs"
-Sue ??? Fielding gaffs???? You must be watching someone else. Drew is the best right fielder we've had since Dwight Evans! |
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RemDawg
Posts: 4228 02/27/08 6:42 PM LOUD Dawg |
I agree with Jim about Drew, his defense was great last year. He is very good defensively. As for CF, the media has overblown Jacoby, he is going to be a very good player. Today, he in not a huge upgrade over Coco, and I am not a big Coco fan. The way the media portrays Ellsbury, is that he is the next Griffey, Andruw Jones or Edmonds. He is never going to be much more than a .300/12/70 guy, but will be great with the glove and steal 50 bases a year. He could be the 2008 ROY and that would be great, but I am going to go with the decision of the man who has led this team to 2 Championships.
Sants
Thanks 5, 18, 45, 38, 34, 24, 33, 49 and 7 for 2004. Thanks 24, 34, 18, 33, 46, 59, 38, 19, 15, 25 and 7 for 2007. Thanks 8, 9, 27, 14, 19, 42, 39 and 21 for all the good years. Here's to back to back championships in 2008. |
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Posts: 5645 02/27/08 8:55 PM Deputy Dawg |
Coco had 1 error, Manny 2 and JD 6. Look maybe more had to do with him getting used to Fenway, I don't know but I had higher expectations for him and I think he gets to a hell of a lot more balls than a guy like Trotty ever did. Better wheels. Coco in a word was amazing in 2007 defensively. I agree with Tom....Tito knows best (oh God did I really say that...yes I did!)
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Posts: 5449 03/01/08 8:28 AM Deputy Dawg |
So far he's looking pretty good! No complaints from me. He seems his normal happy self. That is one thing I really have liked about the guy, in spite of
everything he is always upbeat.
Sue
Sorry to ask this--did we just win ANOTHER World Series?
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Posts: 6853 03/01/08 3:29 PM RemDawg |
The fascination with Ellsbury is his game changing speed. Crisp is very fast, Ellsbury is faster. As a batter he certainly appears even at this tender age to
have better plate coverage, with fewer holes in his K Zone than Coco. That equates to high OBP and combined with blazing speed that can make for a very game
changing "old school" lead-off guy. He isn't the fielder that Crisp is yet but given time he can be.
Crisp is a fine MLB player. Ellsbury is already as a total package in a very similar place. Ellsbury has more ceiling and there IMHO is where the "fascination" with Jacoby lies with baseball people. As is he is a game changer and if he develops some power, he is a more dynamic version of Damon and while he probably will never be a Ricky Henderson, he will be similar in his value. As for the fans, I think they fell in love with him the moment he scored from second on a wild pitch and that love was cemented when he was inserted into the starting line-up in the post season and the RS never looked back. Unless Ellsbury falters, I expect Epstein will trade Crisp and is simply holding on to him so he can sell high or move him for a glaring need when one arises. A happy situation indeed. |
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Posts: 101 03/03/08 9:38 AM Rem Pup |
"Unless Ellsbury falters, I expect Epstein will trade Crisp and is simply holding on to him so he can sell high or move him for a glaring need when one
arises."
-marcgoldman I agree. Crisp can't play right field (no arm) so he can't back up Drew if he goes down, so there's not much point in keeping him. |
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Posts: 4943 11/19/41 4:04 PM Stat Dawg |
I think nobody on the RS can ignore the impact Ellsbury has already had on the team. The guy is at worst a good player with a lot of speed. At best, he could
be Rickey Henderson caliber.
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